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| Jean
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02/12/2010 22:54
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| Keith Cowing
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FRENCH SECRET SERVICE AND UFOSLien |
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You say nonsense?:
FACTS:
I claim that , as Dr Bruce Maccabee
just write me recently: "I suspect that there are equally secret files in the
USA, Russia, China and other countries. "
I claim, too, that we have obtained in France
a physical proof,
and I claim since 1973 that the
UFO CE3 phenomenon is closely linked to nuclear atmospheric
tests !
http://www.visionovni.com.ar/
http://www.publimetro.cl/nota/ciencia-y-tendencias/polemico-libro-desclasifica-el-fenomeno-ovni-en-chile/xIQjkc!0j12gF0JCxO2w/
And now, the FICTION
and the true nonsense:
See also: UAPSG has published this,
thanks to me:
http://www.uapsg.com/search?updated-max=2010-11-10T12%3A22%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=7
( November 6, 2010 : Ummo )
06 Nov 2010
UMMO ? A myth instigated
by American agents
BANDAR-LOG REAL
NONSENSE:
http://www.firstcontactradio.com/blog/?p=133153:
"SITCHIN IS NO EXPERT OF ANY KIND REGARDING
SUMERIAN TEXTS AND DELIBERATELY MAKING IT UP AS HE GOES ALONG. THERE
ARE NO TEXTS ANYWHERE THAT SAY THE THINGS THAT SITCHIN
CLAIMS."
http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9356.htm:
"Now, don't get me
wrong: I'm not calling Raël or Sitchin "clever fakes" at all: they
may or may not be fakes or sincere or completely wrong (these are
three separate axes). What I am saying is that if they are faking
it, if they are wrong, you stand a much better chance at being able
to detect their errors if you keep up on the recent findings of
mainstream science, if you understand how scientific method works,
and if you know the tricks of the rhetorical trade. With this
background and this foundation, you'll be able to spot pseudoscience
posing as science like a seasoned bank teller can instantly
spot a phony bill just by how it feels: they handle real money all
day long, and how it "feels" becomes second
nature."
| Keith Cowing
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02/12/2010 21:52
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| Keith Cowing
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Wrong website. We do not cover this nonsense.
On
Dec 2, 2010, at 3:46 PM, jean.bastide@aviation-civile.gouv.fr
wrote:
>
> From: BASTIDE
> Email:
jean.bastide@aviation-civile.gouv.fr
>
> Subject: FRENCH
SECRET SERVICE AND UFOS
>
> Comment : ABOUT FRENCH
SECRET SERVICE, GENDARMERIE AND UFOS,
> by Jean Bastide , co-
MUFON Representative and FSR consultant for
>
France
>
> THE BOOK
> A new French book seems to
shed some light about the more subtle,
> rather
artistic and kind of ?low noise? link between UFOs, French
> Secret Service and the French Gendarmerie: ?Dans les
archives
> inédites des services secrets, Un siècle
d?histoire et d?espionnage
> français / The realm
of unpublished secret service files, a
> century
of French history and spying? (1870-1989), by Bruno
> Fuligni:
http://www.editions-iconoclaste.fr/spip.php?article1489,
> and :
http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/Dans-les-archives-inedites-des.html
> . Particularly in the chapter dealing with «
Unmatched
> technological inventions: Radio
interceptions made from the Eiffel
> Tower ; the first
aerial photographs (1914-1918) ; Enigma and Nazi?s
>
secret code ; the first French special services commandos ; Camera,
> counterfeit passports, false bottom counters, etc: a
never seen
> before museum ; The tapped phones of the
French embassy ; The
> Gendarmerie UFO files » ( Des
inventions technologiques sans
> égales : Les
interceptions radio de la tour Eiffel ; Les premières
>
photographies aériennes (1914-1918) ; Enigma et les codes secrets
> des nazis ; Les premiers commandos des services
spéciaux français ;
> Appareils photos, faux
passeports, talonnettes à double fond, etc. :
> un
musée jamais vu ; Une ambassade de France mise sur écoutes ; Les
> rapports de gendarmerie sur les OVNIS
).
>
> I can give now some precise details about
the link established in
> this recent book
between French Secret Service and UFOs. On
>
November 14, 2010, Mr Yves Sillard has sent me an
important e-
> mail. He is the illustrious former General
Director of CNES
> ( Centre National d?Etudes
Spatiale / French National Space
> Center ), past
graduate of the famous French ?Ecole
> Polytechnique?
(?X?), a devoted and impartial man, the designer of
>
the ?Ariane? rocket of Kourou, French Guyana, Chief Engineer
of
> Weaponry, past Head of the Armaments General
Delegation , DGA
> (Délégation Générale à l'Armement ,
that is to say the military
> research), founder of
the GEPAN with Mr Claude Poher (for which I
>
made little researches on UFO cases more than thirty years ago,
> GEPAN being now called GEIPAN ), now President of
the Advisory
> Committee (Comité de
pilotage) of the GEIPAN, namely the COPEIPAN:
> ?The UFO
reports (compte-rendus OVNI) written in France by the
>
French ?Gendarmerie? (National Police Force) since tens of years
> (they are not written by the Secret Service ) are
actually in the
> Record Defence Office and for the
great part well-known by GEIPAN.
> They can be found on
the internet site of French GEIPAN. A
>
Gendarmerie Officer, having a training in history, is now doing,
> without being payed, voluntarily, in relationship
with the GEIPAN,
> an exhaustive research of these
policemen?s reports?
> "Les CR d'observations d'OVNIs établis
en France par la Gendarmerie
> depuis des décennies (et
non par les services secrets) sont
> effectivement
stockés aux archives du Ministère de la Défense et
>
pour la plupart bien connus du GEIPAN. Ils se retrouvent donc sur le
> site Internet de ce dernier. Un officier de
gendarmerie, ayant une
> formation d'historien,
effectue par ailleurs bénévolement en liaison
> avec le
GEIPAN une étude exhaustive de ces procès-verbaux."(e-mail
> of Nov. 14, 2010 16:34)
>
> Nevertheless,
this gives us -according to me- some serious,
>
precious and implied clue of the actual obvious
involvement of
> French secret service in that field,
fact already well-known since
> many years by my French
research group, the GEPA ( Groupe d?Etude
> des
Phénomènes Aériens / Study Group of Aerial Phenomena, whose
> President was the General Lionel-Max Chassin, from
French Air Force,
> and whose name is very near that of
the first CNES study group, the
> GEPAN ( ?N? for
unknowns, ?Non-identifiés?), presided by Mr Claude
>
Poher ( who gives this name for paying homage to the courageous work
> of GEPA ) , so that ? both were almost always
mixed up nowadays. I
> said this involvement of secret
service is obvious because Mr Edmond
> Campagnac, past
graduate of the famous French ?Ecole
> Polytechnique?
(?X?) too, past president of GEPA too, gives us his
>
testimony, for he has been able to consult very briefly - sort
of
> ?eyes-only? - these military archives
in one of the site of French
> Record Defence ( see below). I
can add that Mrs Francine Fouéré,
> still alive,
recently phone me she has given a copy of GEPA?s books
>
(http://www.editions-tredaniel.com/phenomenes-spatiaux-p-3598.html)
> to the military library of the French Historical
Defence Department
> from Vincennes, where they can now
be found
(http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/Consulter-des-documents-a.html
> ).
> In the realm of French ufology, the figure of
René Fouéré was very
> near? from the figure
of General de Gaulle, up to a point, in
> certain
respects, in so far as his intellectual stature, his quiet
> bravery, and his resolutely selfless, disinterested,
impartial,
> totally uncommon attitude,
were in fact very close. I can vouch
> for this,
having been in close contact with René and Francine Fouéré
> since 1967.
> THE BROADCASTING
> A
WARNING FOR ALL: COLMAR, ALSACE, 1954: THE FRENCH « SECRET
> DEFENCE » , A SAD REALITY OF ?FRENCH IRON CURTAIN?,
OR: WHEN FRANCE
> IS ACTING EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY AS
USA , RUSSIA OR CHINA. Plain
> exaggeration? Let us
read carefully, however, the utterances of Mr
> Edmond
Campagnac ( ex-President of GEPA and graduate of the Ecole
> Polytechnique of Paris, called ?X? ) during the TV
program about
> UFOs on the cable network
?Planète Forum? in 2001:
> « There is in France an
information source which is sadly pertaining
> to the
Army, and called the ?Gendarmerie?( national police
> force ). In the Gendarmerie, I can assure you I read
observations
> made by units, by teams of ?gendarmes?
(police constables) which
> were marvels of
written detailed description. In 1965, when Gaston
> Palewski was Minister of the Research in
France, I was invited -as
> I was GEPA?s President at
this time- to be asked precisely by him: «
> but how is
it that in France, your review (?Phénomènes spatiaux?)
> has published reports like that (on UFOs), at the
very time when
> there was not a single serious book
published on this subject. In
> America there are
plenty of books ». I answered « Yes indeed,
>
Mister Palewski, it must be due to the fact that in France serious
> investigations are generally made by the «
Gendarmerie » which is -
> as I said- belonging to the Army.
Therefore, ? Secret
> Défense?( ?state defence secret?
). Then he said me « would it be
> possible f
>
or you to investigate a little, in order to see what is to be
found
> on the spot? ». I answered yes, at the
condition of obtaining a
> pass, a safe conduct,
enabling me to meet and see the Colonel who
> was at the time keeping an eye on these
documents and reports and
> who was located exactly at
the ?n° 21, Boulevard de la Tour-
> Maubourg?(75007 Paris).
On the following day, I got the thingummy
> and I was
bursting in the room of poor Colonel who saw the thingy
> and who was literally to fling his arms round my neck
and kiss me .
> With his ?Corsican? stress - he
was from Corsica- he told me : «
> You are the very
first coming to see me, how is it ?». The first
>
report he let me consult, he told me, this one, it is absolutely
> fantastic. I give it shortly. A Sunday morning,
during the year
> 1954, two bikers in the Colmar
( Alsace ) area , enjoyed driving.
> They reached
a spot, a crossroads, and at each of the four branches
> of the crossroads, an unending line of old jalopies,
and in the v
> ery middle of it they saw a kind of thing, and
then they decided to
> near and they saw something with
a saucer shape. They wished then to
> approach, they
dismounted and at this very moment -a phenomenon to
> be later encountered ( in Ufology) in the world,
starting at a
> precise point, it was as if a
wall prevented them to go and walk
> further. Then,
thereupon, the engines were taking off. They ( the
>
policemen/gendarmes ) stopped all the witnesses, asked them for
> their identity cards and have their
identity papers checked. They
> took moreover all the
photos who had been taken. After that, they
> had gone
in all the villages and townships in order to hear the
> municipal officials and town councillors to get to
know about the
> fact if these guys were truthful or
not. You saw so far it had gone.
> Aha, the file was at
least ONE METER HIGH. On the occasion of the TV
>
program « Les dossiers de l?écran » ( « The TV screen files »), I
> make up my mind to tell of this
observation which was a
> bsolutely tremendous, incredible. A
captain phoned me:« BEWARE,
> MISTER, ?SECRET DEFENSE?!
».
>
> EPILOGUE
> It goes without saying that this
very file is totally unknown, even
> from CNES?s GEIPAN
of Toulouse, as it was concealed since now 55
> years
due to the French army?s ?secret defense?.
> THE PROBLEM
IS THAT UFOLOGISTS ARE THE GO-BETWEENS THE SECRET
> SERVICES- AND THEIR TOP SECRET FILES ?AND THE
JOURNALISTS, AS WE SAY
> IN FRENCH: WE ARE ?ENTRE
L?ARBRE ET L?ECORCE? ( BETWEEN THE TREE AND
> ITS BARK)
, ISN?T IT? AS THE ARGENTINIAN AMATEUR ASTRONOMER AND
>
UFOLOGIST CARLOS CLUGNIAC WROTE ME MORE THAN FORTY YEARS AGO,
> ?THERE ARE TOO MANY RATS IN THE BAG?. SOME THIRTY
FIVE YEARS AGO,
> TOO, A MR WILLIAM MOORE OF USA ,
NOTORIOUS INVOLUNTARY AGENT OF
> AMPLIFYING
DISINFORMATION SPREADING THE SO-CALLED MJ-12 SECRET
>
DOCUMENTS, SAID HE WAS TO TAKE A LEGAL ACTION AGAINST ME
IF I
> CONTINUE TO TELL HIS PHOTO OF AN
EXTRATERRESTRIAL DWARF IN SHINING
> SILVER FLYING
SUIT/COVERALL BETWEEN TWO TALL MEN
WITH LEATHER
> RAINCOATS WHO ARE HOLDING
THEIR HANDS WITH DWARF?S HANDS, WAS A
> PURE,
SHEER INVENTION AND THAT HE WAS A LIAR. I CAN PUBLY HIS
> LETTER. ASK Mr ROBERT HASTINGS OF USA WHAT HE IS
THINKING ABOUT
> THIS, YOU WILL NOT BE
DISAPPOINTED.
>
> Note I have myself established in 1973
? 37 years ago- in a study
> sent on Sunday, November
25, 1973, that was received by Mr René
> Fouéré ?then
General Secretary of the GEPA, the correlation between
> nuclear atmospheric tests and the UFO phenomenon,
based upon the
> data published in 1973 by the
well-known FOA -FORSVARETS
> FORSKNINGSANSTALT / NDRI
-NATIONAL DEFENCE RESEARCH INSTITUTE,
> STOCKHOLM ,
Sweden, and the statistics given by Mr. C.Poher, then
> privately published by the CNES/GEPAN.
( Zander, I.; Araskog,
> R., Nuclear
Explosions 1945-1972, Basic Data, FOA 4 Report, A 4505-
> Al,
Försvarets Forskningsanstalt , The Research Institute of the
> Swedish National Defence, Stockholm, Sweden, 1973;
Poher C., Etude
> statistique des rapports
d?observation du phénomène ovni,1971, p.
> 51 : répartition
temporelle des 825 cas mondiaux
(http://www.cnes-geipan.fr/documents/stat_poher_71.pdf
> ) ).
How long does it take to the scientific community to recognize
> the urgency of this problem? Since
>
1947, 63 years have elapsed, and nothing has changed.
>
Mr Jean Bastide, France, November 17, 2010.
> Note I am
currently still in activity, in the French DGAC, as
> investigation officer for air traffic control
in the "Bureau
> d'Enquêtes", "Investigation
Office"( my name is not Fox Mulder,
> however,
but... I study this subject since
> 1962 )
jean.bastide@aviation-civile.gouv.fr
>
>
>
>
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